Version Up
One lawyer’s journey to transform his legal practice.
Version Up (versionup.ai) is a podcast about deploying AI and technology in legal practice. Host Kaj Rozga — a practicing lawyer leading innovation inside a legal team at a Global 500 — talks with the practitioners, founders, and operators doing the heavy-duty work of repurposing the practice and business of law for the AI era.
Each episode is a practical conversation about what’s working, what isn’t, and what’s worth paying attention to. The goal is to work towards clarity through an honest dialogue about building and deploying legal technology at law firms and corporate legal departments.
For lawyers, innovation leaders, legal ops professionals, founders and investors who want the bottom-line on the state of play in legal tech.
| Hosted by Kaj Rozga | Music by Brett Ryback | views my own |
One lawyer’s journey to transform his legal practice.
Version Up (versionup.ai) is a podcast about deploying AI and technology in legal practice. Host Kaj Rozga — a practicing lawyer leading innovation inside a legal team at a Global 500 — talks with the practitioners, founders, and operators doing the heavy-duty work of repurposing the practice and business of law for the AI era.
Each episode is a practical conversation about what’s working, what isn’t, and what’s worth paying attention to. The goal is to work towards clarity through an honest dialogue about building and deploying legal technology at law firms and corporate legal departments.
For lawyers, innovation leaders, legal ops professionals, founders and investors who want the bottom-line on the state of play in legal tech.
| Hosted by Kaj Rozga | Music by Brett Ryback | views my own |
Episodes
Jan 6, 2026
Jan 6, 2026
42 min
I talk with Gwendolyn Lindsay Cooley, founder of Taimet, about productized AI solutions for lawyers, by lawyers. Her product seeks to solve a specific problem set that comes up in the day-to-day practice of every antitrust deal lawyer: screening M&A transactions for regulatory risk. We talk about how she came up with her solution, how it works, and what it means for lawyers and the clients they support. Along the way, we also explore the way that AI products are impacting not only the practice but also the business of law in an evolving business climate in which clients expect more, for less, and quicker. We also talk about the unique strengths that practicing lawyers have in identifying user needs and developing legaltech solutions to address them.
https://www.taimet.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/gwendolyncooley
Jan 6, 2026
42 min
Dec 18, 2025
Dec 18, 2025
39 min
I talk with Daniel Schwarz, co-founder of CompetitionAI, about bespoke AI tools for subject matter experts. We discuss what it means to build AI tools tailored to the specific needs of lawyers practicing in a specific area of law. We also explore what AI means for law firms, the lawyers working in them, and the law students aspiring to enter the profession.
Dec 18, 2025
39 min
Sep 16, 2025
Sep 16, 2025
42 min
The AI Legal revolution is already here.
That’s the bottom line from my conversation with LegalTech thought leader, educator, and founder, Thomas G. Martin.
It’s no longer just about using tools to be more productive. What we’re looking at is a transformation of what a “legal service provider” is. Tom’s theory is that every law firm is now a software company. Whether or not you agree with the ultimate conclusion, you’ll be hard pressed to find flaws in the logic that leads him to it.
The implications of this are far reaching. Practicing lawyers, law students, startup founders — if guided by the ultimate needs of the client — will witness major shifts in the model for delivering those services.
This is not a matter of a decade. It is just around the corner — with the foundation already shifting underneath everyone’s feet.
But this is not cause for panic or alarm. We haven’t passed some event horizon for law firm tech adoption. It’s a moment for reflection, investment, and for embracing the opportunities that this pivotal moment presents.
As always, views expressed are my own.
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/thomasgmartin
https://www.lawdroidmanifesto.com/
https://lawdroid.com/
Sep 16, 2025
42 min
Sep 4, 2025
How to Go From Lawyer to LegalTech Founder
Sep 4, 2025
Sep 4, 2025
48 min
Alex Baker, founder of Legal Tech Collective, comes on to talk about how practicing lawyers can leverage their know-how and experience to develop and productize LegalTech solutions. Whether its internal solutions to streamline your practice or client-facing tools that improve how you offer legal services, lawyers who think like LegalTech founders can position themselves and their practices to out-compete technology laggards. We talk about how lawyers can go from idea to product, what challenges they face along the way, and how to position such products so that the law firms underwriting their development can rightly see them as an investment with potential ROI (margin and market share) as opposed to a partner's costly pet project.
Sep 4, 2025
48 min
Aug 21, 2025
What an ”AI law firm” could look like
Aug 21, 2025
Aug 21, 2025
50 min
I'm joined by LegalTech consultant Emma Kelly (quadK) to discuss law firm deployment of technology. We talk about what an "AI law firm" might look like and mean for corporate clients, small businesses, and even individuals seeking legal services. Along the way, we explore the evolution of AI and machine learning from its e-discovery roots to prospects for practice-specific end-to-end digital platforms for legal services.
You can reach Emma at emma@quadk.co or follow her at Emma Kelly | LinkedIn.
Aug 21, 2025
50 min
Aug 4, 2025
Aug 4, 2025
56 min
Legal practitioners and legal ops professionals play complementary roles that, combined, are critical to the successful deployment of LegalTech solutions at a corporate. I sit down with Michiel Ypma, Group Head of Legal Operations and Finance at ABB, to talk about the role of Legal Ops in helping lawyers identify the problems that need solving, finding the right solutions, securing internal buy-in, and driving user adoption. As it turns out, legal practice has a lot to learn from MBA-style thinking about strategic planning and operations.
You can find Michiel at Michiel Ypma | LinkedIn
*As always, views expressed our own*
Aug 4, 2025
56 min
Jul 21, 2025
LegalTech for Corporates
Jul 21, 2025
Jul 21, 2025
45 min
I'm joined by Devon Willitts, Legal Engineering Lead at Robin AI. We talk LegalTech deployment at large corporates, covering the evolution of AI/ML, use cases for contract analysis, measuring the effectiveness of tech tools, and successful user adoption in-house.
Jul 21, 2025
45 min
May 5, 2025
Building AI Agents for Legal Practice
May 5, 2025
May 5, 2025
43 min
Building AI Agents is not complicated, and it opens up opportunities to automate and streamline your day-to-day work as a lawyer. On this episode, I explain what Agentic AI is and how it works, why you should learn to build AI Agents on your own, and how they fit within a spectrum of LegalTech solutions for legal practitioners.
May 5, 2025
43 min
Apr 23, 2025
LegalTech for Managing Communications Risks
Apr 23, 2025
Apr 23, 2025
44 min
LegalTech tools to audit, monitor and even give real-time feedback on employee communications tackle a key vector of legal risk for any organization. I talk to Darin Hicks, CEO of LitLingo, about the benefits and potential challenges of deploying these products at a large legal corporate.
LitLingo - Detect and Prevent Careless Communication
Darin Hicks on LinkedIn
Apr 23, 2025
44 min
Apr 13, 2025
Industry Tailwinds for LegalTech
Apr 13, 2025
Apr 13, 2025
37 min
I discuss the industry tailwinds behind the accelerating adoption of LegalTech by legal professionals in-house and at law firms.
Apr 13, 2025
37 min







